Voice Over 0:00
You’re listening to the slumber party podcast with your host, Amanda Jewson. a mom of two girls, a child and infant sleep expert and general sleep lover. If you’re a tired parent who is desperate for answers, or just someone who loves sleep, This podcast was created just for you. Each episode is packed full of tips and tricks to help you maintain your sanity, as well as your social life during the early stages of parenthood. So grab your headphones, it’s time to get comfy.

Amanda 0:35
Hello, everybody, and welcome to another edition of the slumber party Podcast. I am your host, Amanda chusen. And I’m so excited today I see this every episode, I’m very basic, I say I’m so excited. But really, I am very excited about every one of my guests and topics. This is something I’ve actually wanted to do for a while. And I train did my certification with Courtney. I mean, we did it a different times. But I know that Courtney is a certified lactation consultant. She’s based out of Philly. So, you know, for my Canadian peeps. She’s not local, but you know, emails amazing, and so is just about I work with everyone around the world. So there’s Courtney. But the cool thing about Courtney, is that she’s also asleep consultants. So she is coming in with all the tricks. And I really wanted to have Courtney on today because there are so many bullshit rumors about sleep training and breastfeeding. It’s got to be one or the other. It’s got to be this or that. And I know, Courtney, we’re on the same page. So welcome. I will let’s I mean, we only have 30 minutes. Okay. I feel like that we could have this conversation for like 25 years. Yeah.

Courtney 1:56
Yeah. Yeah, sure. And I appreciate you having me on. So Hello, and thank you for the opportunity. I love chatting about sleep as do you. And yes, you know, I think to your point, the confusion, misconceptions, terrible shitty advice you get in mom groups, there is some good advice. But you know, when you you know, when you start to look at the whole picture of what this looks like, I think it is very much people have the perception that it’s either or, you’re either one or the other. Or you’re your kids gonna need to know and you’re, you know, and you’re a monster if they don’t, I always find I don’t know if you get this too, but like when someone is booking a call with me, or, you know, they’re booked and they want to start sleeping. We should tell everyone by the way that Courtney is drinking kombucha, although it doesn’t really matter. I’m just telling you because it is 1230 in the afternoon.

I drink watermelon kombucha out of a wineglass because I feel better about myself.

Amanda 2:52
I love it. I love it. Um, okay, yeah, so people book a call, or they book a consultation and in their questionnaire or in their like information, they’ll always be like, um, I really want my I breastfeed, but I’m open to stopping if it helps asleep, and I’m like, Oh, my God, you don’t have to stop breastfeeding. And in in Canada, and we can probably talk a little bit about, you know, the differences. I think that because Canadians have that year long maternity leave, most tend to breastfeed longer. I mean, and this might be a complete stereotype that I’m wrong about. But I find that a lot of my American clients have like, switch to exclusively pumping, or there’s a lot more bottles involved, at some point, because they go back to work earlier. So why I say this is, like, 95% of my clients, that whose babies sleep through the night or have, you know, one or two feeds at night? are breastfeeding? I’m seeing that directly into the microphone. And we didn’t have to change anything. We didn’t have to tell that much. And they were able to maintain that breastfeeding relationship for years. Yeah, absolutely. The majority of my clients are able to breastfeed can maintain that relationship for years to come. But what How is that possible? What sorcery is this? What are what are we how are we able to achieve both?

Courtney 4:22
And I think that the misconception is to your point, it’s one or the other where it comes down to integrity, right? If a baby’s hungry, regardless of their age, they should eat overnight. that’s appropriate. Right? So when I when I work with clients, you know, we write a plan based on the age and their intake, and if you’re exclusively nursing, you don’t necessarily know the intake. So we take that into account, right? And how old they are and how well they’re growing and how well you feel your supply is have you done weighted transfers, right? There’s like a lot of conversation that goes into it, but a child a child needs about 24 to 32 ounces in the in the day, as far as the amount of milk that is

Amanda 5:00
required, right? I’m getting my phone out. I’m listening, but I’m doing the the milliliter.

Courtney 5:07
In metrics, yeah, it’s 24 to 32 ounces, right is what? You know, in the States, I tell clients like, that’s what you need in a given 24 hour period, for a child to be kind of growing at the right amount every day.

Amanda 5:21
And that from my calculation is 700, to 900 milliliters for my Canadian book.

Courtney 5:29
And that’s where, like, if you get that in the day, you don’t need it. Right. And I think a lot of times people fall into the habit aspect of fleeting, right, like, milk, milk becomes a mechanism to sleep. And it’s like, if a child needs to eat because they’re hungry, they should be fed, even when we’re working together, we’re gonna feed them, I think we both agree on that. And when you’re using that breast or that bottle as the mechanism for them to fall asleep, that’s when it’s, I mean, that’s when it’s a problem, because that’s the only way they know how to go to sleep. And sleep is a skill set. So like if you can sharpen the ability to do it. Without that, wah wah,

Amanda 6:02
you know what I also find pretty cool. So you’re the lactation consultant. So please correct me as I go here. But what has been really amazing for me is I will get these babies who are not gaining as well or not, like fall are just on like a lower percentile. And I just want to pause to talk about percentiles, everyone has to be in a percentile there, and we’re looking for baby gaining on their curve within your percentile. So you know, most doctors are great and know that but I get all of these clients and these babies who the mom or the dad is like, oh, we’re really concerned about weight gain, we need to keep in the feeds at night. And me too. I’m also concerned about weight gain. So I’ll keep the feeds in, or I’ll keep like one or two, or whatever the case is, depending on that child. And then all of a sudden, the child sleeps through the night. And then the parent, like we didn’t make that happen. We didn’t force the child, they just went to bed at eight o’clock, and they woke up at eight o’clock, and everyone was living their best life. But the parents are panicking. And they’re like, Oh, my gosh, like they didn’t eat. And now like they need to eat all the time because of their low birth weight. But then lo and behold, during the day, this baby is rested. They are actually hungry. They’re not snacking all day, all night. The breastfeeding outcomes improve, almost always. And this is the other like misconception that you’re going to tank your supply that you are going to like snap. And like, I don’t know, maybe if you’re not working with like a consultant who knows a lot about breastfeeding, I guess this could be something that does happen. But I do think that it almost all of my cases where breastfeeding is this big concern and there are weight issues. It always works out the other way. And the parents are floored. Yeah,

Courtney 7:59
absolutely. I totally 110% agree with that. Because it is the same conversations, right? I mean, we’re talking with the same tired parents and it’s like, if anything, they wake up afresh. Now they’re actually hungry, right? There’s a nice full feed, which guess what that does to your supply, supply and demand milk supply and demand? Right? If they’re pulling it out efficiently, your body’s gonna go, oh, that maybe I should make a little more. And so you’re not like I think that misconception is you’re losing milk by sitting overnight. You’re just shifting it, it’s using to the day, baby, the baby’s happier, they’re eating better, they’re rather rested, right? Like the single statement I say to the many folks that I talked to is how do you how do you feel in the morning? How you feel in the morning is how they feel they just they just can’t express it you know, you know and and frankly, if they’re eating six times at night, they’re not going to be hungry for breakfast. So no you got to figure out that like is this habit or hunger if it’s hunger feed your child but what what happens to your point is you act you actually realize it habit. You teach them the solid foundation of skills of sleep, and then lo and behold, yeah, you know, they sleep through the night and you’ve done it you’ve done nothing don’t discredit. Yeah, they have learned that it was a habit, not a hunger based waking right,

Amanda 9:11
you know, and the cool thing that I find Sorry to interrupt you, I got excited. The cool thing that I find with like my younger babies who are still eating at night, parents are like, okay, should I call you back when we’re ready to wean? And I’m like, guess what, because this baby does not has a solid foundation of sleep skills. Excuse me. And is also eating out of hunger and not habit at night. This baby will probably push out that feed on his or her own it you know, the closer you get to eat then all of a sudden at 6am and you haven’t had to wean anything because the baby has done it for you. So when you you know people are often worried like are they too young? What if they need to eat over Overnight, it’s like, well, that’s fine because it’s out of hunger, and they will self regulate.

Courtney 10:05
Yeah. And I was gonna say the biggest thing I probably see is that when a baby goes from waking a few times to do to do in that first stretch, and they’re down at seven or eight, and they go till 530 in the morning, for example, right, and they’re like four or five months old, when they’re going seven to 430, for the first time, or seven to 530 parents, like, What do I do? It’s 530. Like, like, pick them up and feed them if they just want 11 hours for the first time. Yeah, pick them up and feed them, put them back down. And guess what that 530 waking is gonna go to six tomorrow. And then yeah, and then 630 the next day, like, it shifts out, like, find out your new wakeup time.

Amanda 10:40
Totally, totally. Sorry, I’m drinking coffee at the same time, which is clearly an occupational hazard, because it’s not going down the rate to

Courtney 10:49
one, two, I can’t help you there.

Amanda 10:53
Um, okay, so then on the opposite side, I find there are we can’t like, you know, be I know that there’s going to be part of this podcast, we’re like, rah, rah, breastfeeding. And, and, and sleep training can go together, and they can, but there are some instances where it’s not perfect. And so for me, what I tend to see is, baby is ready. So baby’s ready to sleep through the night, same situation happens where, you know, parents will start sleep training, baby sleeps through the night, and then the the supply doesn’t really transfer to the daytime, right away. And then so there are some instances where babies might sleep through the night, like two or three nights, Mum supply tanks. And then by day four, and five, we have like, you know, these hour long weekends at 4am, God forbid. So, like, I’ll talk about how I kind of manage it. And I’d love for you to jump in. But how I sort of manage it, as I tell mom to pump before she goes to bed. She also might want to pump as soon as she gets up in the morning after that first feed. And and what I call that is like, a little bit of an insurance policy in the early days of sleep training, where you were actively so like that milk that your baby didn’t take, you know, five times overnight. When you get up in the morning, you feed your baby and you express that milk in the day. Now we’ve told her body Okay, we need to make that amount of milk at this time during the day. And it tends to kind of move things along a lot quicker, and help supply but please jump in with anything better

Courtney 12:36
than what I actually do is I like the insurance policy kind of idea. What I’ll do is if a client is exclusively breastfeeding, for sure, they’re usually especially if they’ve been feeding overnight. They’re gonna they’re gonna wake up and grind, right? Like Yeah, those are hard as a rock. You feel like hell and you can’t sleep so yeah, baby sleeping a lot. A lot of times I’ll tell mom one wake up because it’s uncomfortable. And nobody wants to sleep with two rocks on their test. But two you could you could quit for five minutes. pump that milk out. Probably probably gonna rip out two nice sized bottles. Yeah, right. And then that you just start banking it like, yeah, clients are super concerned. Because we do go back to work. Yeah, here like, yeah, at 12 weeks, I’m flying right back into that cubicle, honey. Yeah, you know. So I do. I do tell clients, I’m like, if you’re worried about supply, and you want to have a bit of an insurance policy wake up for a week while they’re sleeping through the night and pump once or twice right now, you know, because then you’re building up a nice freezer stash. Yeah. And then, you know, you know, you can start to pump a little bit less each night. So you’re also getting less in orange. Right? Yeah. And then your body’s adjusting. And by the way, it’s still adjusting the supply in the day when baby’s hungry and eating better, which can take a couple of days. I also tell clients if they can manage it during during a nap to do a power pump. Right? Right. So it’s the same time every day, whether whether it’s after they feel in the morning or at lunch when they’re needed taking a nap and you’re kind of sitting there for a few minutes. You know, I know I used what were called free meals. It’s probably one of my favorite breastfeeding products because they attached to every Pollak there were like 50 bucks or so maybe maybe a little more expensive. Now that was a long time ago when I bought them but you literally can pop them into a pump and just slide them right into your shirt. You’re not cutting holes in sports bras and putting a million things in there with two like dongles and they just sort of slide in and I never lost the amount of milk and neither do my clients frankly. See you it’s very easy to pump you get you get the milk out and you can power pump 10 minutes on 10 minutes off. 10 minutes on 10 minutes off 10 minutes on 60 minutes. Yeah, and if you do it for three times a day, you’re gonna jumpstart the supply process again. Yeah, so between like the pumping with the freebies, which makes it convenient. I think the whole Pennsylvania Turnpike at one point I see my tips

because I was like a super pumper every week.

Amanda 14:49
I did this too. I drove 40 minutes to work 40 minutes back with the power adapter that you can put into your that cigarette lighter He’s our thing. I just, I was so terrified that a cop would pull me over for distracted driving and be like, Look, I am not distracted. I promise. Like, it’s just doing it saying I’m driving. Yeah, ha ha ha.

Courtney 15:14
Yeah. That was like so that’s always what I do is I kind of say like, Look, keep it in for a couple nights slowly reduce the duration while while at the same time the milks moving so you have the insurance policy. Yeah, you know, I’m curious on your your perspective, with like, bottles, I have a lot of clients that say like, Hey, I am 100 100% or nursing, but I need to start thinking about I want to go out to get my nails done, and I can’t because my babies relying on my breast bottle, they won’t take any of them. I’ve tried this one and this one in this one in this one, you know, I just had a client the other day where I actually I actually haven’t tried the Nook sippy cup, the baby’s about seven months old, so a little bit older. And they moved straight to the Nook sippy cup, right for a bottle when mom wasn’t home, because they just won’t take a regular like, you know, Dr. Brown’s the normal, the mom tried all these different bottles. And so I’m curious like with your clients, if you’ve seen any better bottle up there, perhaps that works better that, you know, clients can look at we don’t I you know, I feel like everybody here in the States has their sort of preference of the top view. And the biggest The biggest thing is like when baby rejects the bottle, it’s hard, you know, but they’re good, but they’re gonna eat when they’re hungry. That’s the good news. Yeah, yeah. But sometimes getting to that point is, you know,

Amanda 16:24
hard, painful. Um, I have to say that I don’t have like this magic product, because I get this a lot. But what I can say is, I went back to work pretty early with my first so I’m sorry, pretty early in Canadian standards, like I went back at four months postpartum. And so I just had also a premonition that I was going to get a job. So having my daughter on a bottle was really important to me. And so we started really early. And I think if you wait too long, it’s really I don’t want to say it’s impossible. But if you’re past like, four months, it’s gonna be really challenging for baby to take it. I’m not to say, don’t try. But yeah, I think there’s like a maybe a window between four and six months. And then after, you might need to move to something like a sippy cup, or a different way of getting it in because every like, literally, it took my husband, three weeks of sitting with my daughter being like, try this bottle before bed, try this bottle. And like sometimes she would take it in sometimes not. I mostly had to leave the house, I had to be out, I couldn’t just mean in a different room to be out of the house for her to take it and then she started taking it. And then don’t forget to introduce that bottle as often as you can as well because I got lazy with my second. And she took a bottle pretty easily right away. And then I was like getting lazy about pumping for that bottle. And then so I want to say I didn’t give her a bottle for three months. And I was like, man, whatever. So then I go to a wedding in Calgary, Alberta, which is like, you can’t just get in your car and drive home. It’s like a four hour five hour plane ride away. And my husband calls is like snatching this bottle. And I was like what so she she was like eight months, seven months. She didn’t take a bottle for the whole day. She tons of solids. And you know, my husband mixed breast milk in with like everything. So she’s getting and then the next morning she’s like, okay, I’ll take it, but it was terrifying. And that’s because I got lazy. So I’m it I like one bottle a day. Again, in the breast feeding world. This can be somewhat controversial advice. What’s your experience with something like nipple confusion? Is that a thing? Like?

Courtney 18:47
It can be? I do think to your point. I feel like I feel like sometimes it’s very I want to say like judge Right, right. But it’s very like you’re pro 100% the boob 100% pumping 100% you know if that works for you. Cool. Yeah, right. Yeah. You got to figure out what works for you and for your family. Like for my family. The day we got home from the hospital, my son was in his own room, in his own crib. From from day one. Yeah, people really care for you. That was for our family. Yeah, that was a choice we made. And that that night at 10 o’clock, my husband gave him a bottle. And it was I would pump I would go to bed and then every night for the first about eight weeks. And we did this with my daughter too. When I had already become a sleep consultant. We read a dream feed and I’ll keep a dream feed didn’t till about eight weeks. Yeah. And it allowed me as a mom to get rest. So like I would basically put my son and my daughter down around seven. Yeah, I would nurse them. They would go to sleep. I would pump whatever was left, keep it on the counter and I would take a shower and go to bed out 830 at night. I would then have my husband do the bottle. He would go in and wake my kids up at 10 o’clock. Yeah, feed them the bottle if they hadn’t already woke up, put them back them back down awake, go back to sleep. Right and then I would get up for the rest of the night because I had an urge I would kind of get a stretch from 830 to two in the morning, I was sleeping, I woke up feeling like I can run a mere marathon compared to my friends. And it afforded the ability for me to get out. Yeah, they could take a bottle fine, right? And again, everybody’s gonna have different perspective on it. Like you got to do you. And that’s cool. That worked for us. And it was great because I got I got sleep, which was, which was good for my mental state. Yeah, they ate they learned they learned how to eat from both right. And, you know, you know, it was flexible flexibility. And then they were taking a nice full feed at 10. They would feed it to and feed it for like my kids always pretty much. Both of them both before I got into sleep consulting and after we’ll get 10. two and four. Yeah, because they were taking full feeds during the day. Yeah. And they were taking full feeds at night. And I didn’t do the grays eating like I see a lot of parents that do the snack, right? Yeah, I’m just gonna beat on demand. And again, like, that’s fine. I do find that kids who eat on full feedings on a on a regular kind of more cadence. I like to call the schedule, because people freak out about Yeah, like, yeah, if they eat full feedings, versus snacking. By the end, by the end of the day, I feel like their consumption total is more

Amanda 21:05
well in the class. Yeah, you’re just snacking.

Courtney 21:08
It’s like my kids. Like they have goldfish. And they have fruit. Yeah, like, here’s your grilled cheese for lunch. And they’re like, no, suck it. I’m not hungry. Not hungry. It’s lunchtime. You know? Because they’ve snapped all morning. And it’s Yeah, it’s the same with kids. Like, if you’re just getting an ounce, I feel like you’re you’re never filling the tank, but you’re never quite full. So you’re sort of at this perpetual state of okay.

Amanda 21:30
Yeah, I well. And I always I try to, like, give the example to my clients that have you ever, you know, like, you’re so hungry, and then you go to eat just a little, it’s like, oh, I’m satiated. And that’s the same for your baby to be like, Oh, I’m hungry. And then I’m just knowing that, okay, I’m satiated, I’m fine. But really, they’re only taking a little bit. It also, I think, in those cases, it can impact supply when we’re not fully draining the breast when your baby is just kind of like saying, okay, you made this full breast, but I’m only going to take half, well, then the next day, over time, your body’s only going to make that half. And so you want them to be hungry. And eating and like, like you said, feeding on demand is wonderful. And I think that there are like, for me, I was in milkmaid, I could have fed your children, my children, the street, the whole country of Canada, it was it was fine. Um, and so I could just kind of like, pop my babies on and off when I wanted to. And it was great. If you do have supply concerns, or maybe you just don’t have the same amount of milk ducks that I did, and like things are a little bit different. You need to be thinking actively about how to drain your breast to stimulate more milk production. And not just like a baby who’s on and off.

Courtney 22:53
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. And that kind of brings up like I was thinking about, you know, from you know, from like that, that standpoint of supply and demand, like, like retraining, again, again, supply and demand, but that’s the milk, the milk side of it. I think that too often, I don’t know, your parents look for milk in hindsight. And I see a lot of questions like Well, I have to make sure I get the forget that forget the for milk, I’m gonna pump that away. And I just want the hind milk because it’s higher in fat and such and such, right, like, it’s a very big misconception like your, your milk fat distribution is, is very, very much balanced throughout the whole nursing session. Like your body, your body didn’t just make it and go You know what, fuck it. This isn’t good milk. We’re gonna just gonna dump that out. Right? Like very much. It’s very, it’s very much balancing. The body is a beautiful thing. Like it’s gonna bounce the fat distribution, I guess is what I’m trying to say. Throughout the the feeding. Yeah. So yes. Is there something called for milk and high and hind milk? Absolutely. Is the fat distribution throughout the milk. You’re getting kind of balanced, balanced throughout? Yes, absolutely. So that’s kind of a misconception. I think a lot of people have where they’re like, yeah, let me empty a little bit. Make sure they get the really fatty stuff, like, just put them on the breast. Don’t you know?

Amanda 24:06
Okay, so Courtney, when should someone seek out the assistance of a lactation consultant?

Courtney 24:13
I honestly, I think if I know it’s a little bit different in Canada, so you’ll have to correct me on like, the way you guys do it up there. I just finished with somebody actually in Alberta. And she was explaining a little bit how it was different, but she was like she was struggling with supply. And she’s like, we can’t really do it this way. Like in the states here. Basically, at the hospital, you get to see a lactation counselor, which is great. And they make sure you have the latch. The problem is your milk hasn’t typically come in Yeah, so you get home from the hospital and those squishy moves you out of the hospital are now solid rocks, you’re trying to attach this little mouse to a solid rock, right? And then and then you get some nipples kind of discomfort and such right here in the States. I tell clients like straight away, connect connect with somebody because it’s just going to make the journey if you can get through the first couple weeks like your salt, right, right. Yeah, if you wait too long. Sometimes it’s hard to get the supply back. Yeah, it’s possible. But sometimes it’s hard. Right? Right. Yeah, I know here like, I always recommend setting up a consultation or when it’s not, you know, a Corona type world. I’m going to go into the hospital like we have lactation weekly meetings at almost every hospital where there’s a CLC are an ibclc, they will do a weighted transfer. And you can you can see how much the baby is getting though assessment labs, you can talk with other new moms at our, at our pediatricians here. There’s there’s usually a an RN who’s also an ibclc, you can request to do a weighted transfer at the doctors again, just to see what you’re moving.

Voice Over 25:39
Yeah, like

Courtney 25:40
I say, like, start with the support right away. Like, yeah, I hate when parents Wait, and then men’s mentally and emotionally, they’re like, Oh, now I just can’t do it. Yeah, and I really want to, but they’ve kind of waited too long. So it’s like, I say, it’s never too early to have an initial kind of assessment totally. And then if you’re smooth sailing, like, go for it, if you need additional help, you know, you know, they’re in a variety of capacities.

Amanda 26:03
Well, and I think I had midwives during my birth, and they were really skilled at latch assessment and what to look for. I mean, I also had babies who gain back their birth weight within the first three days of their life. So it was no one talked to me about breastfeeding, they were like, just do whatever that is, again, and again, it’s like, great. Yeah. But I think that midwives can be really helpful, but if you are a late, get intervene early. And if you’re, you know, often what I hear, this is a really good argument, and I’m sure you’d agree with it, like when I am feeling very high on my horse about like, breast is best fat is best. Like I personally, do not have any feelings about how you feed your baby, as long as you feed your baby. And then there are, you know, on the opposite side, like there’s a lot of like, shame and guilt, and like, you know, like judgment from like health care professionals about, you know, you have to breastfeed you have to and I hate that. But then when I hear from people in the industry is like, there’s a lot of shit advice from healthcare practitioners and the everyday average Joe. And so if we could just support our parents better. And if the parent left that breastfeeding relationship, knowing I had great support, this is what I did, it would probably be better. I agree with that, too. So if you’re not feeling in line with your healthcare professional, or the person who’s like assisting you keep asking for help. And then if you don’t want to breastfeed anymore, also just don’t breastfeed as

Courtney 27:44
well. And I wanted to mention too, I was just looking her up quick. That’s why I was looking down. So my girlfriend was actually asleep client of mine, initially with her son, we became good friends with her second, she became an exclusively pumping mom. So she basically kind of skipped the whole breastfeeding journey and as far as the breast and went and went straight to the pump, exclusive pumping, right, which is another big, big thing for a lot of parents. And her name is Sandy, Jay green on Instagram with a couple periods in there. But she does exclusive pumping information. Like if there’s anybody that’s struggling with like, I like I like breastfeeding, but it’s just like, I’m not having success with the breast and the latch and the tongue tie and all this other stuff, right. Like my daughter had tongue tied. That sucks. It’s hard. I didn’t. And so it’s like trying to work through that, like pumping. You’re pumping the milk out free free meals were great, right? She She does exclusively pumping. So I just wanted to put that out there because I love that. She’s you know, she’s really good. But like her posts are great to follow. So, you know, I was like to share friends that that do. Yeah, but I like not just I love this person, but she’s really good. You know? So good. Just for just for something different, right? Like, every journey is different. Like I am so not about the mom shaming, and I see it in Facebook groups, and I immediately am like,

Amanda 29:02
delete, like I can’t I can’t. Like I can’t with this man. Exactly. It’s already hard enough. You just had a baby. Just do what makes life easier, because it’s just hard having the baby. Okay, so, um, Courtney, where can people find you? If they’re like, Oh, I like Courtney. I want to work with her. I don’t like Amanda, you’re great. But how can people find you?

Courtney 29:27
Well, if Amanda is booked and you can’t talk to her, you can find me over on Tiny Transitions Sleep Coach is my Instagram handle. We’re just tiny transitions. Calm is my website, myself. And I’ve got 12 consultants here in the country, in the states that work that work with families. You know, I’ve got folks all over the world as well that we’ve worked with. That’s the cool part about our job is we can do it with anyone from anywhere. But yeah, so I’d love to chat and learn more about about the struggles real man

Amanda 30:00
You are the best. Thank you so much for doing this. I’ve wanted to do this for so long. I feel like I just I have the same feeling as I had let you know when you just had a really good cry and you’re like, Oh, it’s off my chest. Like that’s how I feel. On that note,

Courtney 30:16
Get yourself a massage. 

Amanda 30:21
If anyone who is watching on YouTube, this is an indent for my mask when I had a massage because I pulled my neck. And if you’re wondering is something that happened to me. No, something really good happened to me. I had a massage. Anyway, have a great one everyone. Thank you for joining us. You can find me at babies best sleep calm. Send me an email tell me what you think. In like, subscribe, comment review. I know that takes time and energy but it’s a huge huge boost on our end. Thanks everyone. Have a good one.

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